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Jim Hamerly's avatar

Though not an expert in any sense, I agree with the Camp70 statements that "Astonishingly, these groups and individuals still advocate a “no touch” approach rather than thoughtful forest management." I am reading Ethan Tapper's "How to Love a Forest" and heard him speak yesterday and he also would agree strongly with Camp 70.

- As an aside: "high-intensity fire is necessary for giant sequoia to regenerate." All of the sequoias on Palomar Mountain regenerate naturally without fire.

- Re: "the giant sequoia forests, of which only 74 exist worldwide." I sound like a broken record, but there are five regenerating groves in southern California, many larger than some northern California groves. And there are more than 500,000 sequoias in England alone. So there are many more than 74 sequoia groves in the world.

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Stephen Montgomery's avatar

Re: Camp 70 Foresters photo caption, I don’t think Hanson and the Club considers that little seedling to be the equivalent to what is identified in the photo as the “dead" giant sequoia. While looking at the photos we can’t tell whether or not those trees are, in fact, dead. Loss of green needles in the fire doesn’t necessarily mean the tree is dead. Other than observing that “Oh, my God, they’re black and their needles are gone . . .” how was their demise determined?

Closer examination of the tree is needed to make that determination as a live tree can loose its leaf canopy and come back. The question can be answered by examining the cambium buried deep behind that thick layer of bark that appears to remain on the trees in the photos despite being blackened on the surface.

Referring to the content of the Camp 70 story, Hanson explained the impact of high intensity fires on the seed bearing sequoia cones. (Hotter fires, more seeds release) I didn’t see Hanson’s comments as meaning only high intensity fires can facilitate regeneration of sequoias but that hotter fires engender greater seed release from cones did he not?

Camp 70’s Vladimir Steblina rather glib and disingenuous statement that Hanson does not understand how the forests in the Sierra Nevada have changed and that he should “walk into what is left of the giant sequoia forest at Homer’s grove and Baird Camp" is a leap of logic. Admittedly he did not walk into these places 50 years ago as apparently Stabling did for a very obvious reason. However, he routinely leads walks into the groves at various places to observe, consider and discuss the natural processes he’s talking about as they are now occurring. So, despite Steblina's insinuation, Hanson’s conclusions are based on actual observations and study. They’re not some sort of ivery tower dreamscape as Steblina insinuates nor are the policies as advocated by the John Muir Project and environmental groups, specifically the Sierra Club, destroying anything.

While I think we agree that European forestry practices superseded the more beneficial to the long range forestry health by the First Americans, it appears to me that the desired practices now advocated by Camp 70 and the forest and park service still treat the forests as sort of an agricultural crop as insinuated by the backhand swipe at former President Clinton in having the audacity to declare a national monument.

And, here’s an interesting statement: "Timber growth in the U.S. increased every year in the 20th Century. Even with the high harvest levels, more trees were growing in the U.S. than we were harvesting. The forests were changing due to fire exclusion, but more wood created a dense, urban society on the new continent."

Admittedly I lack the background to challenge that statement but I do recall family owned and run Pacific Lumber of Scotia California harvested sustainably. That is, until in 1986, they were taken over by Maxxam Corporation of Texas in a leveraged buyout.

To pay down their debt Maxxam increased harvesting beyond sustainability. It took 20 years of ill considered business practices for Maxxam to bankrupt Pacific Lumber. The plant is now permanently closed.

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